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Dear Elizabeth – many thanks for agreeing to answer
a few questions for Gateway….
GM: When you were at school, did you always do well
at creative writing? At what point did you recognise it as a possible career?
EC: I didn’t particularly excel at creative
writing. I always received good marks,
but they weren’t out of this world, just a good class average because I was
good at English. I’d told myself
stories verbally all my life though (I can remember being 3 and doing so). I
was 15 when I actually wrote my first one down. That process and the pleasure I derived from it made me realise
that what I’d love to do for a career was write historical ficition.
GM: You've chosen to write about history, and in
particular mediaeval history, of course. Was history your favourite subject?
EC: It was
one of them along with English and general studies (i.e. general
knowledge). I studied history at school
to ‘A’ level standard but actually all my medieval knowledge had to be gleaned
outside of school. For history exams at
16 it was World War II and at 18 it was the Tudors and Stuarts. I loved ‘A’ level English because I got to
study Chaucer. That was far more my
thing! I also got to study some
archaeology at school and I found that fascinating.
GM: The first few novels you had published are
considered by some as romantic fiction rather than historical novels. It's
inevitable that historical novels should contain romance, isn't it? Did you
agree with that assessment of your first few novels?
EC: I would say re definition that I started writing at
the romance end of historical fiction, but it was still firmly historical in
content. I now write further towards
the straight end of the genre and my work is of the fictional biography ilk
rather than involving imaginary protagonists.
I don’t think it’s inevitable that historical fiction should contain
romance, but I like to read the kind of historical that has it to a degree,
providing the characters are of their time and not modern folk in fancy
dress. You find most other genres of
novel contain elements of romance. None
are immune.
GM: I'm intrigued by your admission that you want
to write books that tell stories in the way that Peter Jackson told the Lord of
the Rings trilogy. I adore those films, they are my absolute favourites, but
although I can see that "visuality" and scene-setting in J K
Rowling's Harry Potter books, in the sense that she almost writes screenplays
rather than stories to be read, I hadn't thought that about your books. Is it something
you now consciously aim for when you're writing?
EC: No, I’ve always written like that. I see the scenes in full cinematic
technicolour inside my head. Peter
Jackson told the Lords of the Rings story with stunning attention to detail. He made his backdrops as real as he could
and he did it with integrity and love.
I went to see the exhibition of the costumes at the Science Museum. Theoden’s armour particularly impressed me because
the scales on that armour are decorated with ‘Saxon’ interlaced patterning, but
it’s not something you see on the film because the focus isn’t close
enough. For someone to put that detail
into something that the camera isn’t going to pick up, shows how much love and
meticulous thought went into the ‘window dressing.’ That’s what I mean when I say I want my books to echo PJ’s
rendition of the trilogy. It’s all
about the 3D and being real enough to engage all the senses so the reader feels
as if they are actually there in the time and place you create.
GM: You describe yourself as Philippa Gregory with
a touch of Cornwell – I was brought up on and learned most of my history from
writers like Jean Plaidy and, to a lesser extent, Dennis Wheatley, and I've
described you as "Jean Plaidy with sex", which I know you found
amusing. I also remember reading my sister's annuals, in which the cavaliers
were always the good guys. Back in the 1950s, historians were quite clear on
that – possibly because of the coronation of the new, young Queen Elizabeth –
it was almost as if they were trying not to say bad things about the monarchy.
If you were writing about the English Civil War, which side would you come down
on, or would you try to present a totally unbiased point of view?
EC: I actually said Philippa Gregory meets Anya Seton
with a touch of Cornwell, and I probably identify slightly more with Seton than
Gregory. To your question: It would depend on what my characters were
doing. My views would echo theirs and I
would base my views on primary sources and the best secondary sources. I read quite a lot of Jean Plaidy when I was
younger. Her Tudor novels are excellent
and I think that was where her heart lay, but she didn’t do medieval
particularly well in my opinion.
GM: Will you continue to champion William Marshal
in your next book? Or will you move forward (or backward) in time for the next
one?
EC: My next book, as yet untitled, is the story of Ida
de Tosny, who was Henry II’s mistress, and Roger Bigod, second earl of Norfolk
and the man responsible for building Framlingham Castle out of the ashes of his
father’s rebellion and disgrace.
Roger’s son and heir married William Marshal’s eldest daughter and that
will be the subject of the one after Ida and Roger. So yes, William Marshal will be dropping in and out of the works
in progress, but as a secondary character this time around.
GM: Like me, you think that the Lord of the Rings
films are more enjoyable than the books – I think I've got that right, please
correct me if I'm wrong. Are there other books that in your opinion have come
across better as films that you can think of?
EC: I don’t think the Lord of the Rings films are
better than the book – they’re just a different medium. There are layers and depths that only a book
can hold, and some areas of the film by necessity skimped those layers and
depths, but I still think the latter has tremendous integrity. There are lots
of films that do justice to the book and maintain that integrity. The Last of the Mohicans for example. I enjoyed the book (as far as I can
remember, it’s a long time ago!) and I feel the film does it justice. For better than, I’d have to say Captain
Corelli’s Mandolin. I know there’ll be
lots of shouts of ‘No way!’ for this, but I’m speaking as I find. I didn’t finish the book (yawn) but I
thoroughly enjoyed the film.
GM: What challenges did you face in writing the
novelisation of First Knight? It's one of the best King Arthur films, in my
opinion, always a difficult subject to bring to film, of course. People have
their own views of King Arthur and you can never please everybody.
EC: The main challenge was that I had to stick to the
script and alter my mindset in order to suspend my disbelief. I had to tell myself that I was writing a
fantasy novel, not a medieval. For
example, Lancelot is portrayed as a peasant with a sword, going round the
villages taking on wannabees for money.
But a peasant wouldn’t have had a sword in the middle ages. It was the accoutrement of a knight. He’d soon have had it seized from him. Where
would he have learned to fight like
that anyway? So I gave him a noble
upbringing in his back story to account for that. Once I’d managed to put myself into medieval fantasy mindset, I
was able to get on much better. I only
had 4 months to write it, when a usual contract is 14 months, and at the same
time I was reworking a novel for the USA market and writing a new, contracted
book for my UK publishers, so in terms of workload it was a lot to juggle. Occasionally bits of the script jarred with
me. There’s a scene where Lancelot
looks at Guinevere and goes the cliché route of saying ‘Look into my eyes and
tell me you don’t fancy me.’ I thought
this needed a bit of work doing on it, so I used the mitigation of Guinevere’s
internal thoughts on the matter to give it a bit more grounding in terms of
character development. I had a
wry chuckle at an Amazon UK review of the novel that said it wasn’t up to my
usual standard and that I was obviously writing with a view to it being made
into a film. But of course it was the
other way around!
GM: How will you choose the music soundtrack for
your next novel? Actually, you probably already have, as hopefully you're now
working on it! So how did you choose it, and what is it? Or would that be
giving away too much?
EC: I don’t write to music, but I listen to it while
I’m away from the PC doing mundane jobs or exercising at the gym. I know when a song is right for the
soundtrack because I’ll get an adrenaline burst that says ‘Yes!’ I look for tracks with lyrics or a musical
feel that will point up personality traits in my characters or reflect scenes
in the novel or provide strong emotional resonances. And yes, I do have a full soundtrack for my novel about Roger
Bigod and Ida de Tosny. I hope to have
it on my soundtrack blog next spring, but as a taster I can tell you that
tracks on it include Promised Land by Bruce Springsteen (a favourite artist of
mine) for Roger taking the decision to leave his father and be his own man, and
Kate Bush’s The Man with the Child in his Eyes, for what Ida first thinks about
Roger. One of the main love songs is by
a wonderful band called Anberlin and it’s called Inevitable and the lyric that
appealed to me is in the chorus. ‘I want to be your last first kiss.’ Given that Ida had had an affair with Henry
II beforehand and was attempting to start anew, I felt the gentle wistfulness
of the song conveyed that emotion as she and Roger started anew. At the other end of the scale, and to do
with the battle of Fornham at the beginning of the novel when Roger is burning
his bridges and forging new ones, there’s a harder, angry song titled ‘Prayer
of the Refugee by a band called Rise Against.
‘Don’t hold me up now, I can stand my own ground.’
GM: You have a very big web presence, and there is
plenty of material about you, too. Do you think that a strong web presence is
essential nowadays?
EC: I do, very much so. At one time you wrote a book and that was it, finished, but in
today’s information hungry society you need to do much more. Also it’s fun to
interact with the readers and I think it adds value to the reading experience
for those who want to know more. Often,
gaining readers in the first place is about exposure. If the readers discover they enjoy your work, it’s about keeping
them on board and building bridges that are of benefit to both reader and
author. That’s my take on it anyway.
GM: I'm sure you get lots of fan-mail – does that
come mainly from your website visitors or do you also get a fair proportion via
your publisher?
EC: A few come from my publisher but it’s mostly from
readers online. Some weeks there’ll
only be one or two, but on other occasions there are several a day. Sundays seem to be peak day for receiving
letters, so I guess people still have a bit of leisure time then. I try to reply to everyone, but sometimes I
get a bit behind if I have a lot on. To
those still waiting let me say ‘I’ll answer as soon as I can!’
GM: You're very approachable, as a lot of modern
authors are – do you aim to reply to everyone who writes to you? What sort of
things do people write to you about?
EC: As mentioned above, yes I do try to reply to
everyone, although sometimes due to pressures of work it might take a while and
the occasional e-mail does drop through the holes in the sieve. People usually write to say how the novels
have affected them. They’re usually
positive and it gives you hope for the human race that there are such lovely,
thoughtful and interested people out there.
Sometimes I’ll have got a detail wrong and a reader will write to correct
me. I don’t mind this. No author can get everything right and it’s
better to learn and accept graciously rather than be miffed about it. If a reader cares enough to write to me,
then they are owed a decent answer. If I know I’m right though, I stick to my
guns. Readers often want to know about
visiting the places mentioned in the novel or where they can find out more
information. They often tell me their
age, gender and family circumstances, and it’s interesting to know this from a
demographic point of view. Not to boast
but my readership does go across the board from young teens through to people
in their nineties, and of both sexes.
GM: What principal sources do you use for your
research? Do you haunt your local library or do you do quite a lot of it
online?
EC: I do a mixture of everything. I use the library. I have an extensive library of my own and I’m always adding to
it. I do research online but I take
care not to believe everything that’s out there. Some of the genealogy sites are so wrong they are bizarre. I use academic articles from the likes of
JSTOR and I belong to several online discussion groups with experts as
members. I re-enact with living history
society Regia Anglorm, which helps me to understand the practicalities and get
a feel for life in the period I write about. For example, it’s one thing to see a mail shirt in a text
book, quite another to see someone put one on and take it off. The same with an earthenware cooking
pot. It’s much more informative to use
one in context than to see a few glued together shards in an archaeology
book. I also use what are known as the
Akashic Records. This is a belief that
every thought, feeling and emotion leaves an imprint and if you have the
ability, you can access the life stories of the past through them. My brain doesn’t have the software to do
this, but Akashic consultant Alison King does, so I use her abilities to access
the data as a strand of my research. A
Place Beyond Courage was extensively written using this resource.
GM: One of your recent online interviewers asked if
you kept all your story ideas in a strongbox – isn't it the case that if you're
writing about a real person, the story is already there and it's your job to
re-tell it in a way that millions of people will find readable? Which you do,
of course.
EC: If you’re writing about a real person, then yes,
the structure of their life story is already out there for anyone to access and
tell as they choose. You only need to
look at the ocean of novels about Richard III or the hugely overdone Tudors to
see that! Each author though, will
bring their own particular take to bear on the subject. With novels where my protagonists and the story
line are imaginary are concerned, I don’t feel I need to use a strongbox. I’m not a paranoid author. My novels are strongly character driven and
that means that no one else is going to be able to do what I do anyway.
GM: In your online discussion about historical
fiction you say it suffered from "images of bodice ripping, candy hearts
and old ladies smelling of mothballs reading Georgette Heyer and Jean Plaidy to
satisfy unfulfilled longings". The Regency is a favourite period of mine,
and I have to say that I learned a great deal from Georgette Heyer about it,
probably more so than the rather dry history books, of which there were not
that many. Wasn't that just a case of people writing for the times in which
they lived? Heyer and Plaidy are still being reprinted, so people must still
want them. Historical fiction has moved on to a new, more realistic and
image-conscious phase with the likes of Bernard Cornwell, Phillipa Gregory,
Conn Iggulden and yourself. Who would have thought that a series about Genghis
Khan could become a best-seller? If the fashion was still for bodice-ripping
and candy hearts, would you adjust your writing to suit?
EC: I write the way I write and that’s that. I did make a conscious change from imaginary
protagonists to real people, partly as a result of market forces but partly as
a natural progression of me the writer.
It was what I wanted to do and I felt it was time I had a go.
When I wrote the above it was a few years ago and I
was talking about the perceptions of the media to historical fiction. Georgette Heyer has had a renewed lease of
life, not least due to the influence of film and TV with reference to Jane
Austen. The mainstream press are still
extremely sniffy about romantic fiction, including historicals and will not
miss an opportunity to have a cheap shot at the genre. Journalists will say ‘Oh, it’s a bodice
ripper, or like a trashy Mills & Boon novel,’ but I’d like to bet most of
the detractors have never read such novels in their lives. The Historical Novel Society has, of course,
done much to turn around the negative image of the historical novel and has
gone from strength to strength in the ten years since its foundation. Also the Romantic Novelists Association
works to turn around negative media images of the genre.
GM: Do you read books by your contemporary
historical fiction writers to see what they're getting up to? Your list of
preferred writers concentrates on genres outside historical fiction.
EC: I read across the board in all genres. There’s no single one I stick to. I don’t read a lot of chick-lit because
it’s
not to my particular taste, although even there I enjoy the occasional
one. I don’t read many works of
medieval fiction because I get irritated if authors don’t get their facts
right, or ignore the mindset of the period.
It has to be a very special author if I’m going to read in the medieval
arena. I enjoy historical fiction
that’s not set in my area of expertise because I’m not as sensitive to
historical inaccuracies.
GM: You mentioned Mary Poppins from your childhood
reading – any other childhood reads you remember in particular? Authors or
books that would have fuelled your passion for writing, or was it mainly film
and TV that influenced you?
EC: It wasn’t the Mary Poppins books that inspired
me. I was using the MP film as an
analogy for my writing process. I said
that as a child I would enter the world of a picture book and make up new
stories inside the picture, rather like Mary Poppins jumping into Bert’s
pavement painting. I would say it was
mainly film and TV that influenced me, although as I began writing, romantic
historical author Roberta Gellis showed me that it was possible to write
intelligent historical romance with characters that were of their time, rather
than Disney characters in fancy dress.
I read a lot of myths, legends, ghost stories and fairy tales in my
childhood, so I suppose I was subconsciously storing up character archetypes.
GM: Can you name five favourite books, titles you
couldn't be without? Series count as one title, for example, Stephen King's
seven-volume THE DARK TOWER, which is one series I couldn't be without!
EC: It’s hard to choose just five. These are favourites of mine among many
favourites. Ask me another day and
you’d get a different reply!
Hanta Yo by Ruth Beebee Hill
The Francis Crawford of Lymond Series by Dorothy
Dunnett
The Shining
by Stephen King
The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Vintner’s Luck by Elizabeth Knox
GM:
Elizabeth, thank you so much for taking part. I hope it's not too long before
there's a new EC coming our way! Best wishes and a big thank you for
entertaining us so royally!
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